Lessons Learned from the Non Sequitur Debacle

Over the past couple of years, I have followed the rise and fall of the Non-Sequitur show. The YouTube show, which was created by Kyle Curtis and Steve McRae, often featured interesting guests, such as Hugh Ross, Inspiring Philosophy, Shannon Q, Sy Garte, Matt Dillahunty, Paulogia, Lawrence Krauss, and more. I have also appeared several times on the channel in debates on a variety of topics, such as Christianity and gun ownership rights.

Following Kyle’s trip to the Faithless Forum, I started noticing that the show was changing noticeably. Steve appeared less and less, while people such as Mr. Atheist, Kaitlyn Chloe and Godless Engineer appeared more and more. Discussions on social justice warrior issues now dominate.

I invited Steve to chat on my channel just prior to the break up to discuss why he’s such a controversial internet (temporal) agnostic. He is always an interesting guest and debater and he delivered just as I expected. He has a strong following among atheists, agnostics, anti-theists, and theists.

I soon learned that Kyle had taken over the channel – and that the channel has been valued at $98,000. Kyle has been in control of all income on the channel and (apparently) Steve has not had access to or seen the accounting books or any of the Patreon donations. Kyle aired a program to explain his viewpoints, which resulted in a loss of a couple of thousand subscribers. Many subscribers and patrons switched to Steve McRae’s channel. In recent days, I’ve noticed more activity on Steve’s channel and his content is very similar to that of the “old” Non-Sequitur. I suspect the channel will become very popular.

Rather than taking sides, I want to say that I have always liked both Kyle and Steve, yet this particular decision by Kyle is troubling. I am hoping that their issue is resolved soon. It appears a wedge has divided the internet community and everyone is better off with unity.

This issue with the Non-Sequitur gives us a glimpse of what hell is like – an existence in which people not only do not recognize the Moral Laws of a Moral Lawgiver, but an existence in which no Moral Lawgiver is present to shape people’s decisions. With no Moral Lawgiver, chaos reigns over order – and selfishness, hatred and injustice over selflessness, love and fairness.

What I learned from this interaction is valuable. I watched thousands of people who do not believe in a Supreme Moral Lawgiver call out the actions of one man who seemed to violate their standard of fairness. The very fact we all have a standard of fairness speaks volumes. All of humanity has a moral sense of what is right and what is wrong.

C.S. Lewis said “You find out more about God from the Moral Law than from the universe in general just as you find out more about a man by listening to his conversation than by looking at a house he has built. Now, from this second bit of evidence we conclude that the Being behind the universe is intensely interested in right conduct – in fair play, unselfishness, courage, good faith, honesty and truthfulness. In that sense we should agree with the account given by Christianity and some other religions, that God is ‘good.’ But do not let us go too fast here. The Moral Law does not give us any grounds for thinking that God is good in the sense of being indulgent, or soft, or sympathetic. There is nothing indulgent about the Moral Law. It is as hard as nails. It tells you to do the straight thing and it does not seem to care how painful, or dangerous, or difficult it is to do. If God is like the Moral Law, then He is not soft. (Lewis, 1952, p. 34).

Whether the actions taken by Kyle are legal we will discover soon. But our consciences suggest the actions are not right. We all have consciences for which we can thank God. Our consciences convict us when nothing else does. As St. Paul said in Romans 2:15, “They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.” Thank God.

Thank you for your time.


Lewis, C.S. (1952). Mere Christianity. New York, NY: C.S. Lewis Pte. Ltd.

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